Hehe, check this out. They proudly included an HTML4 icon on their site.  Just, that the whole site is pretty much done in Flash ...

http://www.prl.eu.com/ 

Of course, the extra irony is that the site doesn't actually validate.

Spectre:

Of course, the extra irony is that the site doesn't actually validate.

 

Indeed, that weas the first thing I checked too.

Of course, there is no valid HTML way of putting flash in a page. (while still maintaining automatic updates for people who don't have it or have an outdated version)

Writing is with JS pulls your page trough the validator, but thats first class cheating. 

dtech:

Of course, there is no valid HTML way of putting flash in a page. (while still maintaining automatic updates for people who don't have it or have an outdated version)

Maybe, but why do that? If you want to upgrade Flash, go to Adobe's site. Personally, I loathe the idea of, say, a flash ad "conveniently" downloading an update behind my back.

dtech:

Of course, there is no valid HTML way of putting flash in a page. (while still maintaining automatic updates for people who don't have it or have an outdated version)

Writing is with JS pulls your page trough the validator, but thats first class cheating. 

 

Maybe am wrong, but isn't the <object> tag supposed to be used for embedding flash?

tchize:

dtech:

Of course, there is no valid HTML way of putting flash in a page. (while still maintaining automatic updates for people who don't have it or have an outdated version)

Writing is with JS pulls your page trough the validator, but thats first class cheating. 

 

Maybe am wrong, but isn't the <object> tag supposed to be used for embedding flash?

 

It is. But <embed> is most commonly used. Its also the only way to make sure you're users have a supporting version of the plugin. 

Spectre:

dtech:

Of course, there is no valid HTML way of putting flash in a page. (while still maintaining automatic updates for people who don't have it or have an outdated version)

Maybe, but why do that? If you want to upgrade Flash, go to Adobe's site. Personally, I loathe the idea of, say, a flash ad "conveniently" downloading an update behind my back.

 

 Most users don't even know Adobe makes Flash. Nothing is being done behind your back. You get a simple dialog that notifies you that a more recent version is available and if you want to download it.

If you i.e. want to put HD-flash-video on your site the user needs a very recent version. By providing that version as a minimum you prevent your users from getting a non working player. 

Spectre:

Of course, the extra irony is that the site doesn't actually validate.

A couple of years ago someone checked 400 websites run by W3C members and found that only 5% were fully W3C compiant.  The most common issue was using features that are specific to Microsoft Internet Explorer.

 

 

dtech:

Most users don't even know Adobe makes Flash. Nothing is being done behind your back. You get a simple dialog that notifies you that a more recent version is available and if you want to download it.

If you i.e. want to put HD-flash-video on your site the user needs a very recent version. By providing that version as a minimum you prevent your users from getting a non working player. 

 

Except for the websites that "require" a new version of Flash, that hasn't say, been released for Linux. Thus rendering their page useless. 

MHolt:

Except for the websites that "require" a new version of Flash, that hasn't say, been released for Linux. Thus rendering their page useless. 

 

afaik the latest flash 9 has been released for linux. What is your problem? 

dtech:

afaik the latest flash 9 has been released for linux. What is your problem?

Well then there is no problem... Now... But there was, and there will again 

MHolt:

dtech:

afaik the latest flash 9 has been released for linux. What is your problem?

Well then there is no problem... Now... But there was, and there will again 

Then you should use Windows or OS X.  Or just avoid those sites altogether. 

 

dtech:

MHolt:

Except for the websites that "require" a new version of Flash, that hasn't say, been released for Linux. Thus rendering their page useless. 

 

afaik the latest flash 9 has been released for linux. What is your problem? 

It still doesn't run on my Wii or PS3.

vt_mruhlin:

It still doesn't run on my Wii or PS3.

And I can't browse HTML 3 sites on my calculator.  If you're using the Wii or PS3 as your primary browser, that is TRWTF.  Browsing the web from a game console is just a convenience thing, not a replacement for a real computer.

El_Heffe:

A couple of years ago someone checked 400 websites run by W3C members and found that only 5% were fully W3C compiant.  The most common issue was using features that are specific to Microsoft Internet Explorer.

This deserves to be quoted.

Zecc:

El_Heffe:

A couple of years ago someone checked 400 websites run by W3C members and found that only 5% were fully W3C compiant.  The most common issue was using features that are specific to Microsoft Internet Explorer.

This deserves to be quoted.

I couldn't find the orignal article I read a few years ago, but I did find this one:

http://triin.net/2006/03/05/Validating_sites_of_W3C_members 

It turns out that they've made progress -- only 4% of the W3C member sites were compliant in 2002, but they were up to a whopping 17% in 2006.

morbiuswilters:

MHolt:

dtech:

afaik the latest flash 9 has been released for linux. What is your problem?

Well then there is no problem... Now... But there was, and there will again 

Then you should use Windows or OS X.  Or just avoid those sites altogether. 

 

No... I shouldn't... And yes, I do avoid those sites, all I said initially was that the sites loose traffic and potential costumers. 

TRWTF is making the entire site done in flash. (and also what the OP and other people wrote, as well)

: IF COMPILE ?-GOTO COMPILE-HERE ; IMMEDIATE
: THEN HERE SWAP ! ; IMMEDIATE
: ELSE COMPILE GOTO COMPILE-HERE SWAP HERE SWAP ! ; IMMEDIATE

MHolt:

No... I shouldn't... And yes, I do avoid those sites, all I said initially was that the sites loose traffic and potential costumers. 

 

I think the sites will mourn the 0,1% loss of trafic. 

 TRWTF is despite the fact that almost the entire site is in flash, they still felt the need to use tables for their layout...

Even the "site under construction" popup is in Flash. (this comes up if you hit the "members" tab)

http://www.prl.eu.com/underCon.html

 

tcm256:

Even the "site under construction" popup is in Flash. (this comes up if you hit the "members" tab)

Wait, what? All I see are img tags that point to animate gifs.

Lingerance:

tcm256:

Even the "site under construction" popup is in Flash. (this comes up if you hit the "members" tab)

Wait, what? All I see are img tags that point to animate gifs.

Animated GIFs? What are you talking about, man? The only way to make an image move is with Flash!

tcm256:

http://www.prl.eu.com/underCon.html

OH GOD, I'VE ACCIDENTALLY TRAVELLED BACK TO 1996!  KILL IT WITH FIRE! 

ha, stupid me. For some reason i thought those were in flash.